As a lay leader of Traverse City Presbyterian Church, Linda Racine and a team of enthusiastic congregants prompted her church to start on a journey toward effective climate action. You can read about their commitment to creation care and learn about their 3 bright ideas for reducing carbon emissions in this congregation-led video. Traverse City Presbyterian took advantage of tools like the Interfaith Power and Light Carbon Assessment to understand their own energy use.
Learn more about how Linda’s denomination, the PCUSA, has committed to climate solutions in their Earth Pledge.
Linda is also part of the Michigan Citizens Climate Lobby, which has local chapters all over the country.
Many thanks to Linda and all the other terrific people who graciously hosted us when we visited Traverse City!
TRANSCRIPT
Linda Racine
In 2022, there were multiple policies or overtures passed focused on creation care, and it really put out an alarm, saying “It’s serious, folks, the Earth is really in trouble. So we need to take strong action.” And they were encouraging all churches to reduce their carbon emissions by at least 25% in the next four years and get it down to net zero or net positive by 2030.
Debra Rienstra
Wow. That’s ambitious.
Linda Racine
Very ambitious. But a group of interested folks at church looked at that and said, “Let’s do it. Let’s go for it.”
Debra Rienstra
Welcome to the Refugia Podcast. I’m your host, Professor Debra Rienstra. Refugia are habitats in nature where life endures in times of crisis. We’re exploring the concept of refugia as a metaphor, discovering how people of faith can become people of refugia: nurturing life-giving spaces in the earth, in our human cultural systems, and in our spiritual communities, even in this time of severe disturbance. This season, we’re paying special attention to churches and Christian communities who have figured out how to address the climate crisis together as an essential aspect of their discipleship. Today, I’m talking with Linda Racine from the Presbyterian Church in Traverse City, Michigan. Linda happens to be Michigan co-coordinator for Citizen Climate Lobby, a role she adopted after a long career in academia. But I’m talking with Linda today in her role as a lay leader at the church. Traverse City Presbyterian, in many ways, is an ordinary congregation, but they are doing extraordinary work, integrating climate action into every aspect of church life. They have heat pumps, solar panels, native plantings, a pocket forest, educational programs and more. Their story demonstrates the importance of active pastoral and lay leadership, broad community buy-in, and denominational commitments. Linda will tell us their story. Let’s get started.
Debra Rienstra
Linda, thank you for talking with me today.
Linda Racine
Oh, glad to be here.
Debra Rienstra
It’s great to be here in your beautiful home, here in Traverse City. Thank you for your hospitality today, and I’m really excited to talk about the work of Traverse City Presbyterian Church. So I know you’ve been involved in the church for a long time. Maybe tell us a little bit about your personal background and how long you’ve been involved in the church.
Linda Racine
Oh, I think I joined about 25 years ago. We used we had been members at the Immaculate Conception Catholic Church just down the street here, and it was actually our oldest son who was in high school at the time, going through confirmation class, and a lot of his friends were going to the Presbyterian Church, and he really wanted to go, and for a variety of reasons, we said, “Let’s check it out.” And we’ve been members since. That was 25 years ago.
Debra Rienstra
Yeah, so you have been around for all of the adventures that your church has had in their creation care work. Yes, so let’s start with that spark point. We’re really interested in finding how these things begin with a church. So can you think back to the moment when something happened at the church that people began to work in earnest to respond to climate change as a community. What was that spark point for Traverse City Presbyterian?
Linda Racine
The thing that really kicked it off was Laura Jacobson, who manages/schedules things for our Wednesday night adult education, came to me because she knew I was really involved in Citizens Climate Lobby, which is a non-partisan volunteer organization. And, “Would you do a session on climate?” I wanted to, but I was also a little hesitant, just because, sadly, climate has become so politicized, and our church has had a long history—we’re a purple church, check your politics at the door, and I was concerned about how people might receive it. So, I put together a presentation very thoughtfully about “How do I make this as non-political as possible?” But the heading for it was “Caring for God’s Creation: a faith based approach to climate change.” I wasn’t sure how it would go over. And at that time, we were getting maybe 20 people coming on Wednesday nights. 65 people came. The room was packed. So clearly there was a lot of interest.
Debra Rienstra
What year was this?
Linda Racine
It was like January of 2020, right before Covid hit.
Debra Rienstra
Goodness.
Linda Racine
So anyway, the evening went really well. Kind of started with a very broad based, here’s what Scripture says. Here’s what—oh, we did the Katharine Hayhoe video, which—she takes such a broad view of every faith tradition has something important to say about our responsibility to care for creation and for one another. So Katharine Hayhoe, then the Pope, and you know, went through some different traditions and how they’re responding. And then did some information about what PCUSA was doing, which was new to me. I didn’t really know what all our denomination—because it had never been talked about in our church. So went through that and offered the idea that our denomination has a certification process for creation care teams. And by the end, people were saying, “Let’s do this!” There was an impromptu—somebody grabbed a piece of paper and pen, and “Who wants to be a part of the team?” And we got, I don’t know, eight or 10 names on that list. Quickly got together and said, “Well, what do we want to do? Let’s pitch it to our session.” So February’s meeting, we had a proposal, and they all said, “Absolutely, let’s go for it.” So that’s what started it.
Debra Rienstra
What do you think prepared people to be that enthusiastic after one session? What was going on in the church? What are the congregation members like that makes you look back on that and say, “Yeah, we were somehow primed or prompted or ready for that moment.”
Linda Racine
I think that’s hard to say. Our church has always—I guess what drew me to the church initially is it was really clear this was a community that really walked the talk. It wasn’t coming on Sunday to check a box, but really genuinely living their faith. And people of faith were called to care for creation. And so I think that was a strong ethic that people had anyway. And clearly, by 2020, we’re seeing, “Oh my gosh, this earth is in trouble.” That was pretty clear. And so, just to have a topic on—let’s gather on Wednesday night and talk about it. I think people were ready.
Debra Rienstra
Fascinating, yeah. And I wonder if, because up north here in Michigan, this beautiful area of Michigan, people are very aware of the outdoors. So many people care a lot about the natural world around here and enjoy it. Summer up here is so beautiful. So I wonder if it was just a little bit of a more natural leap there.
Linda Racine
I think you’ve got a point there. People are drawn to this area because of its natural amazingness. And so there is a strong environmental ethic here. I mean, look at the land conservancy: all the explosion since that launched back in the 90s, I believe. The number of just natural areas that have been preserved, the whole Sleeping Bear sand dunes could have been development, but that has been preserved. There is a strong environmental ethic here. No question.
Debra Rienstra
Yeah, yeah. So what happened next? How did you go about inviting the whole congregation into a process that—you didn’t know what was going to happen next. You have this spark moment. But then what happened?
Linda Racine
I think the structure of the certification process really drove that. It’s so solid. When a church decides to do that, you’re committing to really look at how you manage your facilities, how your worship embraces this, how your education programs, and advocacy—that’s always been the toughest one. But those four areas. First you assess, where are we now? And then, what are your church’s goals? And so that involved, in order to do that and to get all the committees in the church involved: what are you doing currently, and what would you like to do? What would you like to see happen in the next year? So every committee was involved in setting goals. The pastor support was critical. Oh my gosh, without that, this wouldn’t have gone anywhere. Pastors have been, right from the beginning, very supportive. One Sunday, the whole church read the pledge.
Debra Rienstra
The Earth Care Pledge from the Presbyterian Church, okay.
Linda Racine
Yeah, yeah. So people were aware that that was going on. And then people have different interests. “I’m really excited about this piece of it or that piece of it.” So always open to anyone who wants to jump in and get involved to do that. But I think it’s the discipline, the structure and the discipline, of that certification process that keeps us on track.
Debra Rienstra
Okay, yeah, and it sounds like you were able to get that certification pretty quickly, because you’ve had it since 2020, so pretty quickly you got the certification.
Linda Racine
Yeah, I think that first year, we filled out all the forms and sent goals, and then you submit that and get the certification, they review it at the denominational level,
Debra Rienstra
Yeah. So it seems, from all the conversations I’ve had with church folks this weekend that the physical plant aspects became a big part of it, first, as well as the landscaping and grounds aspects. So talk a little bit about the processes of those things happening.
Linda Racine
Well, one of the first projects that first year was converting pieces of ground. We had a bed out front that was dying. Some of the bushes were dying. And a couple of our church members, Gary Richardson and Cheryl Gross, were aware of a National Wildlife Federation grant opportunity. And so Gary was a member of Building and Grounds and took the idea to that committee, and they were all supportive of it. So we submitted the grant. We got $1,500 to get us started. And so work crews showed up. We ripped out the old plants. Then that also connected to the education piece. That’s one of one of those other four areas. Our children’s education person was absolutely passionate. So the Vacation Bible School that summer focused on pollinators. So we did a whole education piece on the role of pollinators and their importance, and then the kids helped plant the new pollinator garden.
Debra Rienstra
Yeah, awesome.
Linda Racine
Yeah. It was fabulous.
Debra Rienstra
So it sounds like what we need is enthusiasm across the leadership. Yeah. And the leadership working together.
Linda Racine
Absolutely.
Debra Rienstra
And I think you folks at this church have so many—not only enthusiastic, but really skilled leaders. You have organization experience. You have Cheryl, who does native plants as a passion. I had a wonderful tour today with Randy, who was excited about boilers and transferring those to heat pumps, which was so delightful to hear about. And at some point, the church made this wonderful video, which we’ll link in the show notes, explaining the goals—the three bright ideas, goals. So talk about how that happened.
Linda Racine
That was triggered by our denomination’s policy, where, as a denomination, delegates meet every two years to look at policy for the church. And in 2022, there were multiple policies or overtures passed focused on creation care, and it really put out an alarm, saying, “It’s serious, folks. The earth is really in trouble, so we need to take strong action.” And they were encouraging all churches to reduce their carbon emissions by at least 25% in the next four years and get it down to net zero or net positive by 2030.
Debra Rienstra
Wow, that’s ambitious.
Linda Racine
Very ambitious. But a group of interested folks at church looked at that and said, “Let’s do it. Let’s go for it.” So you need to start—understand where you are first before you can reduce something. So we use the Interfaith Power and Light carbon assessment. And Chris Wendland, who you met, really drove that train, and she and Randy both worked with staff to gather all the—here’s our electric bills and our gas bills and all the stuff needed to submit that. And so then we got this feedback about, “Here’s where you are.” And then it was, “Okay, now what do we do?” And so another church member said, “Let’s talk with Tim Pulliam,” who was—he’s the owner, executive, I don’t know what his title, but he runs Keen Technical Solutions who, for I don’t know, 25 years have been really focused on clean energy transformation.
Debra Rienstra
This is also a member of the church?
Linda Racine
Tim Pulliam is not, but it was a church member who recommended him. So Tim brought a team of folks in and looked at all this stuff, and they said, “Well, the thing you could—that would make the biggest impact the quickest would be changing all your lighting to LED.” So that seemed like a no brainer. We also had this ancient boiler that was ready to die any minute, and people were starting to panic about that. And so, okay, we got to do something there. And then there were a lot of people in the church saying, “Can we put solar panels up?” Because there’s so many great things about the solar. Not only is it good for the clean energy, but it’s also a public statement. It really is a public witness, and it helps normalize, because there’s still so many people out there who think, “Oh, this is Northern Michigan. You can’t— solar is worthless here.” Well, actually, it’s not.
Debra Rienstra
Actually, it’s not, especially because we have such very long summer days.
Linda Racine
Yes, yeah. And so anyway, there was a lot of enthusiasm around that. So kind of gathered after Sunday, after church on Sunday, anybody who wanted to come and talked about, “Well, here’s what the report said, and what do we think?” And so there was interest in all three of those ideas. So we created task forces. People said, “Yeah, I’ll work on this.” And everybody, the groups, had about three months to do their homework, come back with, “Here’s what we think the options are and what it’s going to cost.” And that in about April of that year, we heard what people had to say, and people wanted to do all three.
Debra Rienstra
Yeah, that’s just amazing. Was there resistance at all? Were there people who were resistant?
Linda Racine
I’m not remembering that. Maybe they weren’t showing up at the meetings. Are they quiet? I don’t know. I don’t remember. I mean, there’s always questions about, “Well, will solar really work?” There were questions about, “Well, can we afford it?” And that was maybe the biggest concern. But people had done quite a bit of research on that, and between the very low interest loans that our denomination offers—that was huge, the potential for grants. And we did end up getting an $80,000 grant from our local utility. And then at that time there were IRA dollars available. That’s a question mark right now, but the combination of that, and then when you look at the energy savings, it’s like, “Okay, what we’re going to save in electric bills is probably going to be pretty darn close to covering our monthly loan payment.” So when people saw that, it was like, collective, “Okay, sure, this is doable.”
Debra Rienstra
So at that point was the video made at that point?
Linda Racine
Yes, because the next step was, “Okay. So we’ve got maybe 50 people in the room. We’ve got 600 people in the church. How do we get everybody involved?” So putting together a strategy for really getting everyone enthused about it. And so the idea for the video came up. And Ray Starkenberg and her dad are professional videographers.
Debra Rienstra
Once again, talent in the congregation.
Linda Racine
Oh my gosh. And so they took that project on. And you’ve seen the video, it’s just amazing. The storytelling is so well done.
Debra Rienstra
It’s playful, it’s persuasive, it’s full of facts. And I love the theme, you know, “the time is now” is the theme of the video, and the involvement of kids in the video saying their piece, saying, “This is about me and my future. Please help.” It’s just—and that combined with the playfulness, it’s just brilliant.
Linda Racine
It’s a good balance, isn’t it? Yeah. And a couple things about that. One member of the church, after seeing the video, said, “If this was just about buying a new boiler, I wouldn’t be that enthused. But this is about the future. There was so much enthusiasm in the church after really hearing the whole story and the possibilities there. I do want to mention, that theme, “the time is now,” that’s right out of the overture that was passed by our general assembly.
Debra Rienstra
Yeah. Once again, that denominational leadership is so important.
Linda Racine
Yeah, that was in that very first overture in 2022 talking about how serious this moment in time is and the time is now to act.
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Debra Rienstra
So how was the video used and disseminated?
Linda Racine
We started doing some meetings, just in homes, small groups, eight or 10 people. Showing the video, and then having a discussion. And that was the first step, and getting people’s questions answered, and then Sunday morning it was in the service. And, wow.
Debra Rienstra
So it worked, so to speak, yeah.
Linda Racine
And then it’s been on our website ever since. The thing is that video has gone—I wouldn’t say viral, but it has been broadly, broadly disseminated.
Debra Rienstra
Oh, I can see why. I think every church should imitate it as best they can. Yeah, I mean the statistics—the numbers are specific to you folks.
Linda Racine
Yeah, the storytelling though, the power of that, are things that other churches can use, yes.
Debra Rienstra
And it stars many people from your church. So the stars of the show are your fellow congregants.
Linda Racine
And they’re all people who have really stepped up and wanted to be and are a key part of this.
Debra Rienstra
So at this point you have—the heat pump system is well underway. Solar panels are sitting on the roof waiting for installation when the snow melts. You have education programs going. Maybe we’ll come back to that. Quite a lot of landscaping work, quite a lot of native planting done, really neat native gardens. You have a pocket forest going. So as far as the four things, the four elements of earth care congregation: it’s the building, the landscaping…
Linda Racine
Well, those are kind of together, so how you manage your facilities.
Debra Rienstra
Okay, what are the other three again?
Linda Racine
Worship. And pastors lead that, and they do that beautifully. That first year that we received certification, we had a kickoff celebration in the prayer garden that was just lovely. And so that theme gets worked into the worship by the pastors.
Debra Rienstra
Yeah, give some examples of how that happens in worship. Are there sermons? Is it in the litanies, in the music?
Linda Racine
Hmm, probably all of the above.
Debra Rienstra
Yeah. Okay, and you have two worship services. So this has to be done in two different ways, so it requires a little creativity.
Linda Racine
Yeah, although often in the spring, especially around earth— there can be combined services. We do a combined service once a month anyway, and so there have been a couple earth care themed services, that way it was one service.
Debra Rienstra
Yeah. And then do you have anything special for Earth Day or Season of Creation?
Linda Racine
Usually, yes, on like Wednesday, well, that would be more the education piece, but usually on the Wednesday nights, we’ve done something big related to earth care. This year, we’re telling our story. We’ve got a thing planned for that Wednesday of Earth Week. We’re inviting every church in the region to come and hear the story. Our contractor will be there to answer questions, and resource people, the Light and Power folks will be there. So if they have questions about, “Well, what programs do you have?” And there are other churches in the area also that are doing similar things. So it’ll be a good chance to share stories also and learn from one another. So we’re doing— that’s the plan for this during Earth Care Week.
Debra Rienstra
So just to make the refugia connection there, as Traverse City Presbyterian is operating as a refugia place, a refugia space, doing their work, modeling that work, with this idea of getting other churches together, you’re creating those corridors and creating that whole network to let these life giving capacities spread and grow. That’s brilliant. Really great idea.
Linda Racine
Another thing that we’ve done, we’ve got a racial justice task force that has, over the last several years, made a very focused effort to build relationship with the local tribe. And so the last, I think, three Lent seasons that we’ve had a Lenten series where inviting tribal leadership into talk about the—to educate us about the history of the tribe and practices and beliefs, and whereas much of that is focused on caring for the earth, caring for Mother Earth, it’s central, yeah. So we’ve learned a lot and helped make a connection with that.
Debra Rienstra
I noticed in your bulletin, there’s a land acknowledgement. And also I noticed you have a garden specifically co-cared for with the indigenous folk around.
Linda Racine
Not yet.
Debra Rienstra
Okay, that’s in the plans.
Linda Racine
Yes, it’s on the plans to—because in one of the sessions where a tribal leader was talking about…it was right after the land acknowledgement had been created. And the talking through that, someone at the end asked, “So, what’s next?” You know, we really, our heart is in this land acknowledgement, what’s next? And her response was, “When you care for the earth, you care for the Anishinaabek and what we believe in.” So that sparked this thing in my head of, “Oh my, here’s a beautiful opportunity.” And we followed up, thinking, if we could learn from tribal leadership on how to create a healing garden, we’d love to do that. And so we have had one of the tribal leaders come and help educate us about a healing garden, what all it involves. And we’ve created a space. It’s all smothered and ready to go. And the first thing that we would like to plant there is a plum tree. Because what we learned from her, I had no idea, but apparently, the plum tree is a has a very special place in the Anishinaabek story, where—my understanding is that plum trees were very prevalent in the Grand Rapids area, and when the Dutch came and settled that area, the plum trees were taken out. And so, in fact, it was hard when she came to meet with us, she had brought a plum tree as a gift, and we didn’t have a place to put it. Broke my heart. But we so would love that to be the center of this healing garden. So we’ve got, you know, ground is all ready. We weren’t even sure where it ought to go. And so anyway, so we’ve got a spot, because she helped us find a place for the healing garden. So as soon as we can reconnect, and they have the time, though, we’re going to get that garden launched.
Debra Rienstra
Wow, that’s beautiful. And will it be medicinal plants?
Linda Racine
That’s the thought, yes.
Debra Rienstra
So healing plants, but also healing a relationship.
Linda Racine
Both, yes, all three, yeah, all three things.
Debra Rienstra
Beautiful. So a lot of churches struggle with—I’ve been sort of calling it the “boutique issue” problem, which is to say, you have, you know, your creation care folk, and they have a green team or something, and they kind of do their little thing off to the side, and other people have other issues that they’re dealing with, and it’s really hard to get that creation care work to infuse through, to diffuse through the whole congregation’s life. And it sounds like that happened fairly organically. So what advice would you have for other churches that struggle with that boutique issue problem?
Linda Racine
Well, I think the strength of the PCUSA certification process is what allowed that to happen or fostered that. Because when you’ve got—you’re required or expected to set goals in very comprehensive list of how the church functions, it really requires everybody to be involved. And so right from the beginning, pretty much every committee was asked to look at, what are we doing related to creation care, and what do we want to do? And every year that gets repeated. So there’s a clear—we’ve got a pace of it. It’s built into the planning structure. Every fall, the committees are looking at their goals around everything but creation care is on the list, and they’re looking at their budgets to submit for the final reports and what happens next year. So it’s really built into the fabric and structure of how we operate. So if it weren’t for that, it would be a committee off to the side doing whatever it does. But really, everyone in all committees are involved.
Debra Rienstra
So it sounds like that answers my next question too, which has to do with the problem of “fade.” So by that, I mean everybody gets excited. You replace the boiler, you replace the LED lights, or replace lights with LED, and then…yeah, this enthusiasm sort of fades. But it sounds like that annual goal-setting process with an indefinite horizon, like there’s no end point to that, right? So that annual goal-setting process also helps with that fade problem.
Linda Racine
I think it’s key.
Debra Rienstra
One last question, what has been most challenging and most joyful about the transformation that Traverse City Presbyterian has gone through in a mere five years?
Linda Racine
I don’t know that anything has been particularly hard, but oh my gosh, the joy. Ah. Just so many examples. When we decided that there was this huge section of lawn that was totally unusable as lawn, let’s turn it into a pocket forest. And we were able to get a local tree trimmer to donate the wood chips to smother it. And we have this huge group of people with two truckloads or three, I don’t know how many truckloads of stuff. We’re out with the wheelbarrows spreading stuff. We’re having so much fun. Jordan is sliding down it like it’s a ski slope. We’re just having a great time, and I’m looking around and thinking, “I absolutely love this community.” They’re so committed to being the best stewards of creation and one another. Yeah, it’s not hard, it’s just wonderful.
Debra Rienstra
Linda, it’s been such a pleasure to talk to you. There’s been joy in this conversation, too. Thank you for your time. Thank you for all that you do and blessings on Traverse City Presbyterian.
Debra Rienstra
Thanks for joining us for show notes and full transcripts, please visit debrarienstra.com and click on the Refugia Podcast tab. This season of the Refugia Podcast is produced with generous funding from the Calvin Institute of Christian Worship. Colin Hoogerwerf is our awesome audio producer. Thanks to Ron Rienstra for content consultation as well as technical and travel support. Till next time, be well.
